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Post by bgammill138 on Jun 3, 2014 16:06:47 GMT -5
If you think Ovi is lazy/only plays when he wants too, you watch too much NBC highlights/milbury bashing and not enough actual caps games, he tries harder than most guys on the team and carries the team most nights, he has shitty games for sure, but dump ovi and caps are a lottery team next year, they aren't bad enough yet to trade ovi, get a top line winger, couple solid defensemen, and a goalie and they are playoff contender You're right, I don't have cable just Gamecenter so I literally never watch the Capitals. I just believe their offense is entirely too comprised of getting him a one-time from the top of the faceoff circle near the boards. I swear 75% of the time I see the Caps score Ovi is making that play. I'm just curious how they'd do in a Columbus trading Rick Nash away type situation. Also, why on Earth did you guys get rid of Halak for next to nothing? Yeah its cool, i just hate when the media and people talk trash on ovi by only looking at certain stats and not seeing the bigger picture, but if anyone watched more than 10 games they would understand that the caps have a long list of problems and Ovi is at the bottom of that list. You're 100% right about him being predictable and scoring from what should internationally be referred to as the "ovi-spot" but if it's so easy and predictable it would have been stopped, part of what makes him an elite hockey player is the fact that no one could stop it, his shot was that good, he made it look easy. He still has plenty to work on, but if anyone else could score that many goals from the same spot they would. The only bright spot for the caps was the powerplay, it was unstoppable, but every other coaching decision made was absolutely awful. I could be for trading Ovi under the right circumstances but now is not the time, if caps really struggle this year and he doesn't mesh with Trotz then its probably time for him to move on, but fix the defense give him some quality line mates plus, for the first time ever, having a non rookie head coach to fix parts of his game and could be what he needs to take the caps further. Thing with columbus is they were no where near a playoff team last year, they had to do something drastic to get pieces to balance out their team (and made a great trade fair for both teams, which hardly happens). Caps have most the pieces, they just need someone in the organization who knows what the fuck they are doing as far as owning/managing/coaching a legitimate cup contender. Trading a key guy like Mike Green would be something that makes a little more sense, sends a message to the core and ovi and could get some decent return to fix the defense. As far as Halak goes, he was an unrestricted free agent after this year no way he was gonna stay, so getting a 4th or whatever for his rights it was actually a really good deal, surprising that we got anything at all. Would have loved to keep Halak but Oates ruined that right from the start and threw him under the bus after a couple games, plus being in such a transition period and going from a cup contender to out of the playoffs probably didn't sit too well with Halak. Again it comes back to management, cause as bad as caps were this year they ended up 3 points out of the playoffs, 3 points that a goalie like Halak could have gotten us (Holtby was a mess this year), if management got halak in december as opposed to march caps could have easily made the playoffs with confidence in a goalie. Would like caps to get a real goalie, Holtby sucks, grubauer looks like the real deal but prefer him to get one more season in the AHL. (sorry for the long posts by the way) |
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Post by bgammill138 on Jun 3, 2014 16:12:47 GMT -5
I'd agree with the cup series being more so about Hank vs Quick. Other than game 7 in the Pens series where Hank stood on his head, I think that he's performed just as he should. I might hold him to a higher standard than most others do though. The Kings on the other hand came back from a 3 game deficit to the Sharks, and came from behind three times in a game 7 at the United Center. That takes a lot of discipline and team unity. My point was that it's all about giving your team a chance, and both of these teams did that Agreed. I really think the Rangers rallied behind MSL and the unfortunate death of his mother. They even attended his mother's funeral in Montreal as a team. Lundqvist is clutch when he has to be, in elimination games and game 7's he's consistently unbeatable, now that the rangers added a consistent goal scorer (MSL) they immediately become a threat. They've been adding the right pieces for years and MSL was kinda the last thing they needed and now have their best shot at the cup. That being said I think LA is the better team, Lundqvist will have to make those key saves and more to keep rangers in it, but as long as they are "in it" guys like MSL/Nash/Richards/Kreider have the capabilities of taking over the series. It will take a lot though, kings are insane this year, may not "wow" you as much as rangers/bruins/pens but they get the job done when it matters most. |
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Post by evannovak on Jun 4, 2014 8:24:31 GMT -5
You're right, I don't have cable just Gamecenter so I literally never watch the Capitals. I just believe their offense is entirely too comprised of getting him a one-time from the top of the faceoff circle near the boards. I swear 75% of the time I see the Caps score Ovi is making that play. I'm just curious how they'd do in a Columbus trading Rick Nash away type situation. Also, why on Earth did you guys get rid of Halak for next to nothing? Yeah its cool, i just hate when the media and people talk trash on ovi by only looking at certain stats and not seeing the bigger picture, but if anyone watched more than 10 games they would understand that the caps have a long list of problems and Ovi is at the bottom of that list. You're 100% right about him being predictable and scoring from what should internationally be referred to as the "ovi-spot" but if it's so easy and predictable it would have been stopped, part of what makes him an elite hockey player is the fact that no one could stop it, his shot was that good, he made it look easy. He still has plenty to work on, but if anyone else could score that many goals from the same spot they would. The only bright spot for the caps was the powerplay, it was unstoppable, but every other coaching decision made was absolutely awful. I could be for trading Ovi under the right circumstances but now is not the time, if caps really struggle this year and he doesn't mesh with Trotz then its probably time for him to move on, but fix the defense give him some quality line mates plus, for the first time ever, having a non rookie head coach to fix parts of his game and could be what he needs to take the caps further. Thing with columbus is they were no where near a playoff team last year, they had to do something drastic to get pieces to balance out their team (and made a great trade fair for both teams, which hardly happens). Caps have most the pieces, they just need someone in the organization who knows what the fuck they are doing as far as owning/managing/coaching a legitimate cup contender. Trading a key guy like Mike Green would be something that makes a little more sense, sends a message to the core and ovi and could get some decent return to fix the defense. As far as Halak goes, he was an unrestricted free agent after this year no way he was gonna stay, so getting a 4th or whatever for his rights it was actually a really good deal, surprising that we got anything at all. Would have loved to keep Halak but Oates ruined that right from the start and threw him under the bus after a couple games, plus being in such a transition period and going from a cup contender to out of the playoffs probably didn't sit too well with Halak. Again it comes back to management, cause as bad as caps were this year they ended up 3 points out of the playoffs, 3 points that a goalie like Halak could have gotten us (Holtby was a mess this year), if management got halak in december as opposed to march caps could have easily made the playoffs with confidence in a goalie. Would like caps to get a real goalie, Holtby sucks, grubauer looks like the real deal but prefer him to get one more season in the AHL. (sorry for the long posts by the way) Not at all, it's cool to talk hockey with literally anybody. I just wonder how much good he could have done with Washington, I mean he signed with the Islanders so I can't see too much why he wouldn't have considered staying around. Maybe this goes back to me not keeping up too much with Washington. Dude was probably just tired of bouncing around. I still wonder why St. Louis got rid of him, and I wonder where Miller is going to go for that matter. I'm curious to see how Trotz will do in Washington. Can it just be October already? |
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Post by evannovak on Jun 4, 2014 8:29:40 GMT -5
Agreed. I really think the Rangers rallied behind MSL and the unfortunate death of his mother. They even attended his mother's funeral in Montreal as a team. Lundqvist is clutch when he has to be, in elimination games and game 7's he's consistently unbeatable, now that the rangers added a consistent goal scorer (MSL) they immediately become a threat. They've been adding the right pieces for years and MSL was kinda the last thing they needed and now have their best shot at the cup. That being said I think LA is the better team, Lundqvist will have to make those key saves and more to keep rangers in it, but as long as they are "in it" guys like MSL/Nash/Richards/Kreider have the capabilities of taking over the series. It will take a lot though, kings are insane this year, may not "wow" you as much as rangers/bruins/pens but they get the job done when it matters most. So who's going to win if this goes to 7 games? |
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Post by punkrockzach on Jun 4, 2014 9:31:23 GMT -5
Lundqvist is clutch when he has to be, in elimination games and game 7's he's consistently unbeatable, now that the rangers added a consistent goal scorer (MSL) they immediately become a threat. They've been adding the right pieces for years and MSL was kinda the last thing they needed and now have their best shot at the cup. That being said I think LA is the better team, Lundqvist will have to make those key saves and more to keep rangers in it, but as long as they are "in it" guys like MSL/Nash/Richards/Kreider have the capabilities of taking over the series. It will take a lot though, kings are insane this year, may not "wow" you as much as rangers/bruins/pens but they get the job done when it matters most. So who's going to win if this goes to 7 games? Lundqvist. Furthermore, that hockey meeting was pretty insightful. A few downers in that meeting, but overall it put some new thoughts in my mind. |
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Post by AceXAlpha on Jun 4, 2014 9:59:11 GMT -5
So who's going to win if this goes to 7 games? Lundqvist. Furthermore, that hockey meeting was pretty insightful. A few downers in that meeting, but overall it put some new thoughts in my mind. like? |
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Post by punkrockzach on Jun 4, 2014 14:43:48 GMT -5
Lundqvist. Furthermore, that hockey meeting was pretty insightful. A few downers in that meeting, but overall it put some new thoughts in my mind. like? The idea was brought up that instead of petitioning to join a existing league, like the ECHL, to create a "localized" league, Charlottesville, Roanoke, Hampton, Richmond, Raleigh, ect and expand outwards. That way the league fees would be waived so it wouldn't be such a huge money sink. |
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Post by evannovak on Jun 4, 2014 15:11:32 GMT -5
The idea was brought up that instead of petitioning to join a existing league, like the ECHL, to create a "localized" league, Charlottesville, Roanoke, Hampton, Richmond, Raleigh, ect and expand outwards. That way the league fees would be waived so it wouldn't be such a huge money sink. that sounds....WAAAAYYYYYY more complicated |
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Post by evannovak on Jun 4, 2014 16:02:30 GMT -5
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Post by bgammill138 on Jun 4, 2014 16:10:25 GMT -5
Not at all, it's cool to talk hockey with literally anybody. I just wonder how much good he could have done with Washington, I mean he signed with the Islanders so I can't see too much why he wouldn't have considered staying around. Maybe this goes back to me not keeping up too much with Washington. Dude was probably just tired of bouncing around. I still wonder why St. Louis got rid of him, and I wonder where Miller is going to go for that matter. I'm curious to see how Trotz will do in Washington. Can it just be October already? He probably would have considered it, but the organization really is a mess if you follow it closely. Oates talked to the media about some things with Halak that pissed off him and his agent, and the old GM was terrible when dealing with UFA's and the organization is convinced that rookie/young goalies are gonna get it done (they wont) so they didn't exactly lead halak on trying to sign him. Just wasn't a good fit so he moved on... if he was brought in earlier on in the season it could have been a completely different situation. Islanders have a bright future ahead of them and will only get better (similar to columbus). St Louis was just obsessed with getting Miller and not realizing what kind of a mistake that could be, he has hot streaks and then he gets really really bad or average, plus just wasn't used to playing playoff/meaningful games. I could see pitsburgh shaking things up and going after miller if they dump fleury. Again would be cool if hockey team in richmond worked out, but creating an entire new league in not really a good hockey market sounds pretty unrealistic. If the series goes 7 would have to agree lundqvist ends up being the difference maker. |
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Post by punkrockzach on Jun 4, 2014 17:31:49 GMT -5
The current talk for Anaheim on the forum I am on is to ruthlessly pursue Ryan Kesler, Paul Stastney, and a veteran Dman, like Markov, Subban, Morris, or Orprik. and it's not like Anaheim doesn't have the cap space, their cap space is currently $22,451,667. That's not including the losses we will likely endure, between Selanne, Koivu, Hiller, Robidas, Souray, and Winnik. Those players yearly totals add $11,966,667 in spending money, and I hope if they're gone Anaheim makes it fucking RAIN |
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Post by evannovak on Jun 10, 2014 8:31:06 GMT -5
Looks like the Kings are going to sweep
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Post by punkrockzach on Jun 11, 2014 5:11:24 GMT -5
Looks like the Kings are going to sweep Rangers have the chance, and history is against them, but the Rangers could come back. Last time a team came back from a 0-3 deficit to win the cup was the 40's. And it was the Toronto Maple Leafs.. |
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Post by evannovak on Jun 11, 2014 8:16:11 GMT -5
Looks like the Kings are going to sweep Rangers have the chance, and history is against them, but the Rangers could come back. Last time a team came back from a 0-3 deficit to win the cup was the 40's. And it was the Toronto Maple Leafs.. I don't think they could win twice in Los Angeles. Something my cousin found and posted on facebook, kind of interesting.  |
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Post by toolmantaylor on Jun 11, 2014 10:39:19 GMT -5
Each time I question one of the NHL referees in the playoffs I turn on the NBA playoffs, and then I feel much better about the officiating
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